Podcast Expo 2006: Friday AM Sessions Stacy Bond and David Lawrence
Another in the continuing line of posts from a podcast expo. The next
two posts deal with the sessions for the paid conference attendees as
well as the free sessions ,given that I was on the paid track I tended
to gravitate towards those though I have some thoughts on how to
better handle than next year. While audio for most of these events
will be available at the conference site over the coming months( sooner to attendees) Podango already has the bulk of their "unconference" up for your perusal.
Started the morning off with Stacy Bond from Audioluxe "producing for the ear: Using the craft of audio to capture and keep the listener's attention." I attended this one as I have a weird mix of radio in my head which I probably should explain. I'm from the UK and for most of my life there was no such thing as "talk radio" , sure we had call in shows but only if you are erudite and have a point which you can see would be a little restrictive for the US. C span callers would be a pretty good example of the people we're talking about. There were only 4 national radio channels , only one devoted to speech. (Radio 4 ) add in 2 or 3 commercial stations and a regional BBC outlet and that's your lot. Every US town I have ever lived in has had more choice than up until recently when digitial radio has started making inroads in the UK. I attended Perth College ( regretably ) which had radio tuition but neglected to run it since insufficient people were interested , it's just not as sexy as video on the surface ..., so it was half assed , haphazard and the gear to record and edit on? Reel to reel , edit with razor . Gee thanks
I tried to escape to a dedicated radio class in Dundee but given the chance to let them know what I thought local radio should be had me ejected from the process since my commitment to the community was not boring them to tears with the results from a large marrow contest. We now have that with podcasting I have "my own station" many NPR and Radio 4 like programs make the list but.. ( enough bitterness, I now have all the tech I need and soon as I get that talent thing nailed down... Does someone make a RTAS plugin for talent?
Here's were we get back to the content. For people that have a narrative format and There's some excellent resources over at Transom.org which will teach you more than you care to know about producing public radio, worthy radio, radio that enobles the mind and embiggens the spirit radio RADIO SO PROFOUND YOU WILL NEED A MOMENTS GUITAR MUSIC AND QUIET REFLECTION TO ASSIMILIATE IT type radio.. You know the last thing most people expect from podcasts
Anyway her examples are good , well reasoned, and for anyone that has a desire to produce quality docs, news pieces ( as I secretly want to ) or has to write for audio
What doesn't sit with me is the separation, the maintanence of the we're the anthro's and you are the tribe whose story we can more effectively tell. You lose the voice and substitute a proxy,a mediator if you will which to me is the antithesis of what most people understand podcasting to be. People are more credible speaking in their own voice, their own voice isn't reading from notes and for most people it's not editing together interviews. This neatly segments into...
David Lawrence I am totally biased. I admire and respect the man and his work and he's proven to me that you can take Rand a long way ( I just don't believe the destination is possible, what's good objectively is er subjective to the person after all. Randroids may be able to pull off unfailing logical consistency but it fails my rule for a practical philosophy.. you can't write it down on the back of a fag packet. )
David's talk : "Instantly irrestistible and perfectly passionate: seducing listeners with your unique voice." Starting out with a rapid fire slide show that . Illustrating the points I "stole" from him above re the lost in translation nature of writing for the ear and then reading into a mic is a sure fire way to disengage the audience. Life's unscripted after all. Most of us not professionally involved in MSM have a interests that although we're not paid for them, provide Dilletantes like myself with an escape from expectations re having to be "formally educated for eight years just to be allowed to address others , in their own best interests ,of course.
If you take the original root for the word Dilletante which is "delight" it's not the pejorative that it's become.Being professional, paid and miserable( yet more puritan bullshit that we have to get over.) is preferable to engaging in what you enjoy, on your terms. Thankfully David is both delighted and well paid.The reason I bring up the latter is I see many cases of "social media" tending to gravitate towards the ..ist. Two stand out moments. One was highlighting what we've always known that genuine enthusiasm and advocacy beats ad men coming up with the latest "two C's in a K" scenario.
Thinking back to ye olde day radio and tv, you would have the content, host "walks off" set to address the camera directly and espouse the benefits of the sponsor. Three minutes, one sponsor and when done correctly can be as entertaining as that which surrounds it. It's not the coerced voice of a salesman. It's the voice of a trusted friend, ( maybe the halo effect of tv,specially the "real" stuff is diminished now but I don't think radio ever lost it) passing on advice without speaking in the contrived manner of today's disclaimer ( hide there's a lawsuit) ridden copy. It's a great illustration of where the strength lies in podcasting. ( I'm also doing a separate piece on that)
Secondly: People, having watch David interview, discuss and chat with people his ability to slice reality to focus on the people he's engaging is fascinating to watch. It's like the coolest cold reading show you've ever seen , without people getting hurt. The audio will eventually be up at Gigavox though you have to pay for it if you can't wait.
Immedietely after this talk I wandered down to the main floor where ...
David also gave a talk at the Podango Unconference ( will post on that separately) on applying the cooking term "mise en place" to audio production. I've not started a public podcast but I suffered from nearly all the faults he identified and have implemented a system similar to the one he advocates here. I have the template, the intro, the beds and exit set , my "radio voice" settings on the plugins and in theory all I do is start it up , Sit for 5 minutes and 23 seconds (nearly half of 10:47 a spooky coincidence I assure you ) and hit the odd effect button should I feel inclined. I've lost my voice though and how to fill that gap is stalling me.. I'm pretty damn funny , but usually in a reactive way which makes a solo show just a tad difficult.
Podango have transcripts and audio available and certainly fit the term "good people" with their plans to program stations with related programming which seems like a smarter way to locate advertisers than individual show sponsorship.
Started the morning off with Stacy Bond from Audioluxe "producing for the ear: Using the craft of audio to capture and keep the listener's attention." I attended this one as I have a weird mix of radio in my head which I probably should explain. I'm from the UK and for most of my life there was no such thing as "talk radio" , sure we had call in shows but only if you are erudite and have a point which you can see would be a little restrictive for the US. C span callers would be a pretty good example of the people we're talking about. There were only 4 national radio channels , only one devoted to speech. (Radio 4 ) add in 2 or 3 commercial stations and a regional BBC outlet and that's your lot. Every US town I have ever lived in has had more choice than up until recently when digitial radio has started making inroads in the UK. I attended Perth College ( regretably ) which had radio tuition but neglected to run it since insufficient people were interested , it's just not as sexy as video on the surface ..., so it was half assed , haphazard and the gear to record and edit on? Reel to reel , edit with razor . Gee thanks
I tried to escape to a dedicated radio class in Dundee but given the chance to let them know what I thought local radio should be had me ejected from the process since my commitment to the community was not boring them to tears with the results from a large marrow contest. We now have that with podcasting I have "my own station" many NPR and Radio 4 like programs make the list but.. ( enough bitterness, I now have all the tech I need and soon as I get that talent thing nailed down... Does someone make a RTAS plugin for talent?
Here's were we get back to the content. For people that have a narrative format and There's some excellent resources over at Transom.org which will teach you more than you care to know about producing public radio, worthy radio, radio that enobles the mind and embiggens the spirit radio RADIO SO PROFOUND YOU WILL NEED A MOMENTS GUITAR MUSIC AND QUIET REFLECTION TO ASSIMILIATE IT type radio.. You know the last thing most people expect from podcasts
Anyway her examples are good , well reasoned, and for anyone that has a desire to produce quality docs, news pieces ( as I secretly want to ) or has to write for audio
What doesn't sit with me is the separation, the maintanence of the we're the anthro's and you are the tribe whose story we can more effectively tell. You lose the voice and substitute a proxy,a mediator if you will which to me is the antithesis of what most people understand podcasting to be. People are more credible speaking in their own voice, their own voice isn't reading from notes and for most people it's not editing together interviews. This neatly segments into...
David Lawrence I am totally biased. I admire and respect the man and his work and he's proven to me that you can take Rand a long way ( I just don't believe the destination is possible, what's good objectively is er subjective to the person after all. Randroids may be able to pull off unfailing logical consistency but it fails my rule for a practical philosophy.. you can't write it down on the back of a fag packet. )
David's talk : "Instantly irrestistible and perfectly passionate: seducing listeners with your unique voice." Starting out with a rapid fire slide show that . Illustrating the points I "stole" from him above re the lost in translation nature of writing for the ear and then reading into a mic is a sure fire way to disengage the audience. Life's unscripted after all. Most of us not professionally involved in MSM have a interests that although we're not paid for them, provide Dilletantes like myself with an escape from expectations re having to be "formally educated for eight years just to be allowed to address others , in their own best interests ,of course.
If you take the original root for the word Dilletante which is "delight" it's not the pejorative that it's become.Being professional, paid and miserable( yet more puritan bullshit that we have to get over.) is preferable to engaging in what you enjoy, on your terms. Thankfully David is both delighted and well paid.The reason I bring up the latter is I see many cases of "social media" tending to gravitate towards the ..ist. Two stand out moments. One was highlighting what we've always known that genuine enthusiasm and advocacy beats ad men coming up with the latest "two C's in a K" scenario.
Thinking back to ye olde day radio and tv, you would have the content, host "walks off" set to address the camera directly and espouse the benefits of the sponsor. Three minutes, one sponsor and when done correctly can be as entertaining as that which surrounds it. It's not the coerced voice of a salesman. It's the voice of a trusted friend, ( maybe the halo effect of tv,specially the "real" stuff is diminished now but I don't think radio ever lost it) passing on advice without speaking in the contrived manner of today's disclaimer ( hide there's a lawsuit) ridden copy. It's a great illustration of where the strength lies in podcasting. ( I'm also doing a separate piece on that)
Secondly: People, having watch David interview, discuss and chat with people his ability to slice reality to focus on the people he's engaging is fascinating to watch. It's like the coolest cold reading show you've ever seen , without people getting hurt. The audio will eventually be up at Gigavox though you have to pay for it if you can't wait.
Immedietely after this talk I wandered down to the main floor where ...
David also gave a talk at the Podango Unconference ( will post on that separately) on applying the cooking term "mise en place" to audio production. I've not started a public podcast but I suffered from nearly all the faults he identified and have implemented a system similar to the one he advocates here. I have the template, the intro, the beds and exit set , my "radio voice" settings on the plugins and in theory all I do is start it up , Sit for 5 minutes and 23 seconds (nearly half of 10:47 a spooky coincidence I assure you ) and hit the odd effect button should I feel inclined. I've lost my voice though and how to fill that gap is stalling me.. I'm pretty damn funny , but usually in a reactive way which makes a solo show just a tad difficult.
Podango have transcripts and audio available and certainly fit the term "good people" with their plans to program stations with related programming which seems like a smarter way to locate advertisers than individual show sponsorship.




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